In this week’s episode of the podcast: Joseph Menn’s new book Cult of the Dead Cow: How the Original Hacking Supergroup Might Just Save the World hit store shelves this week. We reprise our March interview with Joe and talk about the origins of CDC. Also: is the talent pipeline for information security empty, or has it sprung a leak? We’re joined by Veracode CEO Sam King to talk about one of the top problems facing organizations: how to cultivate and keep information security talent.