In this episode of the podcast #162: according to the non profit that oversees it, the first disruptive hack of the U.S. grid happened in March of this year. Our guest, Joe Weiss, said it really happened more than a decade ago and that hundreds more like it have been overlooked or mis-classified. Also: Rachel Stockton of the firm LastPass* joins us to talk about changing users troublesome password behavior to make companies more secure.